Was that always the plan?

Did it just feel inevitable that they’d soon be back at odds?

What excites you about exploring this different adversarial dynamic?

So it makes Taylor an incredibly formidable opponent.

So invariably it’s going to be much more personal.

Did you always envision bringing Taylor back into the Axe Capital fold?

LEVIEN:We love this relationship between Axe and Taylor.

So this seemed like a very fertile way to put them back together.

KOPPELMAN:This was the plan all along.

LEVIEN:The question was just how we were going to do it.

The Brian setup was such a long con by Chuck and by you guys.

It reminded me of the Ice Juice twist in season 2.

Did being able to so perfectly pull that off give you the confidence to do it again here?

KOPPELMAN:We love this stuff.

But it also just seemed to us like what Chuck Rhoades would have to do.

And as Chuck said in this episode, he doesn’t really leave anyone standing.

LEVIEN:It’s always a challenge to do a good con in a movie or show.

Where did that idea come from?

And it had to have played even better than you could have ever imagined, right?

LEVIEN:Yeah, we were just thrilled with the way it came out.

And then Paul took it from there and just crushed it.

How would he do it?"

And then Paul just came in and destroyed, he just crushed it.

As did Clancy in that laughing reaction.

It’s one of my favorite scenes in the whole series.

Why was that something that fit Axe, and that he’d be so bothered by?

KOPPELMAN:It just felt to us like what was needed.

We agree with you that that scene is one of the most powerful of the series.

But it came completely natural to the two of us.

And we knew we hadDamian Lewis.

For someone like Paul Giamatti, for someone likeMaggie Siff.

Damian just brought everything to that.

It was incredibly magical and compelling.

It didn’t, but is that something you guys thought about doing?

Billionswill return to Showtime for season 5 in 2020.