Except Brown had never seen the popular NBC series.

“I was like, what the hell?

he says, laughing.

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“I didn’t want to paint him as just the bad guy,” Brown explains.

Brown immediately gained custody of him, and eventually adopted Jason’s younger half-brother Christian.)

The big revelation in writing that book?

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And vice versa; he learned that he had an influence on me becoming a better man.”

When you look back on those couple of weeks, how do you summarize all of it?

KARAMO BROWN:The word that comes to mind for me is validation.

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I don’t just mean personal validation, I mean validation as a community.

If I don’t bring some tears, there goes an emotional component.

If Jonathan doesn’t bring the funny, there’s goes the humor.

You are a father yourself.

What did you and your son learn about each other as you wrote your new children’s book together?

And vice versa; he learned that he had an influence on me becoming a better man.

Why was it important for you two to open up about that?

So I would be a hypocrite to not show them the challenges I’ve been through in my life … Everything takes work and is a journey.

That’s why transparency in my podcast has been so important.

How does it define you?

People respond to those things, and I have to respond back.

And my response is the definition of who I am.

That’s all of us how you respond is the definition of who you are.

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